Two Years of Trump

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Reyne
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Re: One Year of Trump

Postby Reyne » Wed Mar 21, 2018 2:36 pm

Roberto wrote:Yeah... that's because money and material wealth is awesome.


Yeah it's awesome living in a city with some of the highest per capita homeless populations and then meanwhile I get to drive by Mitt Romney's mansion that he never actually lives in because he owns like 8 of them across the country.

:P

Roberto
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Re: One Year of Trump

Postby Roberto » Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:28 pm

Reyne wrote:
Roberto wrote:Yeah... that's because money and material wealth is awesome.


Yeah it's awesome living in a city with some of the highest per capita homeless populations and then meanwhile I get to drive by Mitt Romney's mansion that he never actually lives in because he owns like 8 of them across the country.

:P



So you were driving in your car and posting on your smart phone? Sounds awful.

Reyne
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Re: One Year of Trump

Postby Reyne » Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:52 pm

Roberto wrote:So you were driving in your car and posting on your smart phone? Sounds awful.


Occupy the royal court with the king's gunpowder? What hypocrisy!

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Re: One Year of Trump

Postby Enok » Thu Mar 22, 2018 4:34 am

Jaster wrote:
Treach wrote:Some great stuff lately with Cambridge Analytica and the reporting by channel 4 news.

Also glad to see Sarah huckabee sanders no longer looks smug and looked very upset by the end of the press briefing today.


When will the hypocrisy end? Never. This is the same thing Obama’s team did and it was “ok”. It’s just not ok now because it’s associated with trump.

“Obama’s campaign built a database of every American voter using the same Facebook developer tool used by Cambridge, known as the social graph API, according to the Washington Post. This technology allowed the Obama campaign to access information of voters to figure out “which people would be most likely to influence other people in their network to vote,” according to the paper.”

Not everything trump is going to be good. And not everything trump is going to be bad. The #resist at everything trump just makes you all look stupid and incapable of independent thought.


I guess the difference between the two was that the Obama campaign didn't try to disguise the data collection as something else. But you knew that, since you didn't just go to Ben Shapiro to get your facts. Putin's whatabout-isms are really gaining traction as debate tools. How blissful it is to simply turn around and say "but...but...look at those guys over there!".

I ran the Obama 2008 data-driven microtargeting team. How dare you! We didn’t steal private Facebook profile data from voters under false pretenses. OFA voluntarily solicited opinions of hundreds of thousands of voters. We didn’t commit theft to do our groundbreaking work. https://t.co/CyVIFDB2Tz

— Michael Simon (@mbsimon) March 18, 2018


Edit: Just for the sweet, sweet irony of the statement:

Jaster wrote:Not everything trump is going to be good. And not everything trump is going to be bad. The #resist at everything trump just makes you all look stupid and incapable of independent thought.


Fox News, formerly fair and balanced ( :roll: ). Now just straight up lying.

Treach
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Re: One Year of Trump

Postby Treach » Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:01 am

I found microtargeting as the only normal and least interesting thing about the whole Cambridge Analyitca tapes.

I only care about the illegal things they admitted to such as running both the main campaign advertising and also running superpacs and activist groups advertising for Trump. Also found it interesting that he admitted stuff that contradicted his testimony to congress. Also find it interesting that CA has all this facebook data and Russia is known for a lot of the propaganda on facebook.

Vaen
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Re: One Year of Trump

Postby Vaen » Thu Mar 22, 2018 4:08 pm

It's sort of an indictment on the type of personality that can't see the difference between voluntarily collected data focused on desires and aspirations and clandestinely collected data focused on creating a psychological profile of your fears to manipulate. But they used the same API on Facebook, so if you're fucking stupid despite spending endless hours on the internet over 20 years, basically the same thing happened.

However, that all obfuscates the primary point as summed up by Nancy LeTorneau -- it's not about the microtargeting or even the fact that one campaign leveraged aspirations of a wide coalition while the other honed in on the fears of a bunch of scared, fearful cowards -- that's besides the point of the bolded:

In a free and open society, it is impossible to imagine making either one of these approaches illegal. While the breach of Facebook data and possible collusion between the Trump campaign and outside groups may prove to be a legal problem for Cambridge Analytica, the kind of propaganda they employed to tap into fear in order to influence people emotionally will be up to voters to reject.


None of that changes the fact people are going to be rightfully annoyed when you choose to bring them to you by using the fear of a stick rather than a carrot. That's why Shapiro (and anyone echoing him) can go fuck himself if he's expecting people to feel the same way about the two campaigns just because they were both #DataDriven.

nalav
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Re: One Year of Trump

Postby nalav » Thu Mar 22, 2018 4:17 pm

Are there any good sources for information on the recent Cambridge Analytica thing? I can't find anything about it that isn't tainted with heavy bias and misleading narratives.

Vaen
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Re: One Year of Trump

Postby Vaen » Thu Mar 22, 2018 4:32 pm

For the fuckery being investigated:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/ftc-probin ... 1521561803

https://www.wsj.com/articles/cambridge- ... 1521572446

For the difference between what the Obama Campaign did:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nati ... story.html

https://www.theverge.com/2018/3/20/1713 ... otargeting

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog ... -influence (This one is a blog, but still pretty insightful and even-keeled.)

This is assuming you're looking for even-keeled analysis instead of false equivalence.

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Re: One Year of Trump

Postby Astolfo » Thu Mar 22, 2018 6:53 pm

We now have Bolton running the NSC. EO 12333 and a host of others are going out the window.
You guys haven't seen anything yet.

Vaen
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Re: One Year of Trump

Postby Vaen » Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:01 pm

Yeah, explaining the implications of that here is gonna make your brain hurt when some moron inevitably thinks that's a good thing after reading some vague wiki on it.

Trump and Bolton are like fire and fuel. This is bad and I'd recommend not being anywhere near Seoul for awhile. Double that if Mattis is gone soon too.


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