Tolveor wrote:So treaties from 1791 to 1911, which is most of the history of the united states goverment when it relates to treaties doesnt matter?
They matter in their own context - I just don't give a fuck about them in the context of modern geopolitics.
And I'm not talking about the trail of tears. I'm talking about 500 documented historical treaties and agreements the US government have agreed to and broken. Its on the record. If that doesn't show that "people" is inconsistent in their negotiations I dont know what does. The US government is historically notorious for breaking deals.
No, you're conflating things that happened (documented historical treaties that were broken) and then extrapolating what you're "pretty sure" was the case (that they were negotiating and breaking them at the same time). The idea is to negotiate the best deal for yourself, but relying on information asymmetry "between 1791 to 1911" is very different than relying on it in 2018.
* "I can't think of another time" opens up for others to provide examples of just that. I don't see how thats beside the point you were making. If you don't want a point you are making to be argued, don't make the point.
Yes, as you've said 40 times -- and once again, if your'e going to conflate "point" with "rhetorical device used to make it", I'm sure the fact that I said you've said it 40 times should keep you busy for at least 4 more posts.
* I don't see where you say "treaties against nonproliferation" except in that last post.
I don't think I've said "treaties against nonproliferation" anywhere because I'm pretty sure they're treaties for nonproliferation, but that is literally the context for the entire conversation we're having. What do you think both the Iran deal and any potential North Korea deal hinges on?
There is 1 non proliferation treaty and thats on nuclear weapons.
That's just a factually incorrect statement. Just off the top of my head there are nonproliferation treaties and conventions on biological weapons, chemical weapons, anti-ballistic missiles, cluster munitions, mines, etc. There are also about a dozen treaties/conventions specific to nuclear nonproliferation besides the NPT. Then there are the dozens on other conventional weapons, the major ones like SALT, the STARTs, SORT, etc. etc. etc. These all fall under the umbrella of nonproliferation under the larger umbrella of arms control.