One Year of Trump

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Benito
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Re: One Year of Trump

Postby Benito » Fri Dec 22, 2017 4:01 pm

Firi, for the love of god please just quote the line or two that you're responding to. It's way more difficult to scroll through on a phone! :P

Many sources have been pointing out one of the ironies of the tax bill that was signed today: GOP legislators keep insisting that windfalls from corporate tax breaks will be given back to workers, largely in the form of new jobs or higher wages, while many of these companies are publicly acknowledging that they will do no such thing. For instance, check out this article on The Intercept, "Corporations Say Publicly They'll Pocket the Tax Cut, but Republicans Aren't Listening." The whole defense of the bill is wishful thinking from beginning to end.

The other irony is that legislators are pushing for job creation when unemployment is as low as it is. This is the same problem that conservatives are running into in Seattle as they try to argue against our $15 minimum wage. They want to claim there's massive job loss, but unemployment is super low. My favorite example is a pizza place near my house closing because it said it couldn't keep up with increased wages. This story made the rounds a few years back, but if you walk to the same spot today, the space is being rented by...another pizza place. Mysteriously, this shop has been going strong for several years, as have the dozen or so other pizza places in a one mile radius.

Low unemployment obviously doesn't mean that things are working well in America for the average person. Wages are still at a historic low; employment can still be underemployment, the rent is too damn high, and so on.

As far as listening to the rich, rather than their conservative puppets in the legislature, my favorite example is another Seattle figure, billionaire investor Nick Hanauer. My conservative friends, especially, should check out an article he wrote last year, "Confronting the Parasite Economy: Why Low-Wage Work is Bad for Business--and All of Us." It boils down to an early paragraph:

If, as many on the right are wont to do, we divide our nation into one of “makers” and “takers,” it’s not the working poor who deserve our derision, but the low-wage businesses that exploit them. These are the real deadbeats of the parasite economy: companies with a business model predicated on a cheap supply of taxpayer-subsidized labor, growing fat on the vast wealth of consumer demand generated by the middle-class wages of the real economy, while leaving employees with little if any discretionary income of their own.


This is especially important looking to the future fall-out from the tax bill. The Republicans pass an awful bill leading to huge economic problems, and one of their "solution" will be stripping entitlements from those who need it--the struggling American worker--in order to give massive entitlements to those who don't--wealthy individuals and companies who are making record profits.

Firimei Lang
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Re: One Year of Trump

Postby Firimei Lang » Sat Dec 23, 2017 5:07 am

[quote="Benito"]Firi, for the love of god please just quote the line or two that you're responding to. It's way more difficult to scroll through on a phone! :P forgive me, I was on a phone in a bad signal area...ha

Treach
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Re: One Year of Trump

Postby Treach » Fri Jan 26, 2018 11:39 pm

A lot has happened since this thread died..

It seems like obstruction of justice charges are a definite with the news this week of trump ordering Mueller fired.

Jaster
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Re: One Year of Trump

Postby Jaster » Sat Jan 27, 2018 10:17 am

One year later and people still trying to justify or come up with reasons. Lol. I thought the campaign was dumbed down enough. The left has and had a crap message and crap people pushing it. Instead of fixing that, they trying to come up with a bazillion reasons. It is quite laughable over a year later. FYI,It could have been anyone but trump pushing the same message and frustrations of no term limit idiots running us in circles doing absolutely nothing. It was so simple and resonated with a lot of people who felt left to the side with no hope. It wasn’t Russia, it wasn’t voter fraud, it wasn’t the electoral colleges fault. However, let’s try year two singing the same tune, because all that’s coming out is showing the Democrats are the obstructionist and that the fix was coming from the left.

Hope
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Re: One Year of Trump

Postby Hope » Sat Jan 27, 2018 10:31 am

My retirement plan is loving the first year of trump. So are a lot of people who have gotten raises and bonuses directly in response to the Trump tax plan.

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Re: One Year of Trump

Postby Enok » Sat Jan 27, 2018 12:19 pm

Hope wrote:My retirement plan is loving the first year of trump. So are a lot of people who have gotten raises and bonuses directly in response to the Trump tax plan.


You mean the tax plan that was voted through in December? You guys sure don't waste any time negotiating your salaries.

It feels like a pretty easy time to be a republican though. Just deny any information from reputable sources (sorry, i meant to say fake news main stream biased media) and go full blown Rush Limbaugh on the talking points. Confirmed russian trolls and hacks affecting the election (confirmed by your own agencies). Confirmed campaign officials pleading guilty. Porn stars paid off by shell companies. And on and on and on it goes.

Just a few years ago some rambling slob spread his nasty rhetoric about the elected president of the united states being a kenyan muslim in disguise. A kenyan muslim who helped found ISIS. That was fake news. REAL fake news(!). That guy is now the POTUS. And all the republicans care about is "Look at the stock market! We picked the right guy!".

I salute you wonderful capitalists for finally admitting where your values lie. Who cares about morals anymore? We've got Trump! Who cares about lies? As long as my retirement fund is going up, right?

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Re: One Year of Trump

Postby hasp » Sat Jan 27, 2018 12:28 pm

You guys act like one side is better than the other. They all suck. This two party system is crap. Yes Trump is an idiot that has said inhumane things. But Hillary was an idiot in her own right. Everyone wants to complain about one party oe the other. Until our entire system changes no matter which two parties are in control, it will suck.

Hope
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Re: One Year of Trump

Postby Hope » Sat Jan 27, 2018 12:36 pm

Lol @ enok

Firimei Lang
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Re: One Year of Trump

Postby Firimei Lang » Sat Jan 27, 2018 3:32 pm

Enok wrote:
Hope wrote:My retirement plan is loving the first year of trump. So are a lot of people who have gotten raises and bonuses directly in response to the Trump tax plan.


You mean the tax plan that was voted through in December? You guys sure don't waste any time negotiating your salaries.

It feels like a pretty easy time to be a republican though. Just deny any information from reputable sources (sorry, i meant to say fake news main stream biased media) and go full blown Rush Limbaugh on the talking points. Confirmed russian trolls and hacks affecting the election (confirmed by your own agencies). Confirmed campaign officials pleading guilty. Porn stars paid off by shell companies. And on and on and on it goes.

Just a few years ago some rambling slob spread his nasty rhetoric about the elected president of the united states being a kenyan muslim in disguise. A kenyan muslim who helped found ISIS. That was fake news. REAL fake news(!). That guy is now the POTUS. And all the republicans care about is "Look at the stock market! We picked the right guy!".

I salute you wonderful capitalists for finally admitting where your values lie. Who cares about morals anymore? We've got Trump! Who cares about lies? As long as my retirement fund is going up, right?



Damn right.
Sometimes I actually wonder if Trump is just opening his mouth for the shock value and wanting someone to replace him. Although Pence might actually be worse. I just hope next term people realise what the *** they did.

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Re: One Year of Trump

Postby byrg » Sat Jan 27, 2018 4:16 pm

Hi.


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