Lykan wrote:Introspectively, it is pretty funny how I am still amazed at both sides' constant inability to have any semblance of a discussion without immediately resorting to "yeah my guy is prolly a douche, but your party did THIS OMGAHD!!!" It is the central theme in virtually every political conversation now, both public and private. 0 accountability, 0 productivity, just nonstop jiggery pokery and hate-mongering from top-down while ignoring the actual issues.
Wtf cares what Obama did? Stop using it to excuse Trump's idiocy, the same way Obama-zealots used Bush's idiocy every time someone said anything bad about Obama (and now use Trump instead of Bush).
"With malice toward none, with charity for all..."
I get what you're saying, but we really don't bother with this. Compare personal behavior of Trump and Obama and no, there's not both sides admitting theirs is also a douche. Obama is actually a good guy. And regarding the need to criticize the previous Presidents, well, for Dems, it's pretty rare that we would remotely use Bush to defend Obama. The rare exceptions are when criticisms are so asinine as to ignore the criticizer's actual beliefs. For instance, a favorite of mine is when republicans attack Obama's drone policies. Sure, they can be problematic, but compared to two full-scale invasions? And then to vote for Trump who immediately scaled up our military involvement and ramped up civilian killings? This is something that is in the very foundation of the Republican party. Attacking Obama's drone policies as being too harsh is like being a Republican who is anti-white people. Or the current attacks on Obama for Trump's immigrant policies. That's just dumb. And Obama DID receive plenty of criticism on that topic, but it came from the left. And it's very much a fact that Trump's policies in this area are Trump's policies, not Obama's.
McConnel's stated goal of being a senator was to defeat Obama. That's not how the freaking legislative process works! That's not what Senators are supposed to do! Trump said the Republican health care bill was "mean" but he just wanted a win by passing it. What kind of sense does that even make if policy matters? And this was after skipping nearly the entire legislative process. These are not the statements of people who even care about policy, whether they are in power or not.
Seriously, imagine Democrats started acting like Republicans. Where Maxine Waters is the NORM of the Democratic party since that behavior is tame by Republican standards. Imagine if Obama really did act like Trump, or Hillary really was as corrupt as Trump, or where Democratic senators did nothing but filibuster. Google "republican filibusters" if this is somehow new information. We were missing a member of the Supreme Court for over a year because of this partisanship. If Democrats took over the Senate and Trump had an opportunity to appoint someone, I wouldn't want them to let him do it, even if it took 6 years. Why would I? Sure, an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind, but I ain't gonna let my side be the only ones blinded.
Remember when Wilson became a hero of Republicans for heckling Obama, yet Trump said not clapping for him was treasonous?
We used to have lengthy policy discussions here.