Roadeur wrote: Jestin wrote:
But if I look at cost/benefit it's just not worth the risk to me personally. Just such a shame how things are but I don't really know how to change it even in my own company. Just trying to make the point that at least in my example I don't really "fear" something right now, I just take a look at the landscape, evaluate risk, and act accordingly. And in an environment where there is no sexual harassment going on, I wonder if female employees are being hurt by the latest MeToo stuff, not being helped. In environments where there was/is sexual harassment, obviously MeToo is helping mostly by showing predatory men that there is now a much higher chance of consequences for doing fucked up shit.
Not sure if this makes sense and sorry about the rambling. Didn't have time to write a short post so wrote a long one
Here's a far more eloquent rebuttal of what you're discussing than I could muster - https://www.msn.com/en-us/video/c/trump ... vp-BBNXQnQ
I think your first post actually did a pretty great job.
I'd add that dudes in general (including myself to some degree or another), could stop blaming everything but themselves and "how things are" for hangups like the ones Jestin is describing. The "landscape" consists of several visible cases with allegations in general being extremely rare.
If that's the landscape causing you to treat a person differently based exclusively on her being a woman, maybe some introspection is required instead of blaming "how things are" -- are we more afraid of false accusations or ourselves? The whole idea is to make you think twice about things like Ghost Swayze-ing your intern's keyboard or making "harmless" but completely unnecessary comments or something -- 'should i do that? could that be considered harassment?' and err away from doing that, not removing women from the equation entirely. If that makes you feel uncomfortable, it's just because we dudes got a little too used to not having to think about it at all. If you're already doing this, there's effectively zero difference outside of more accountability if you do happen to fuck up.