Keep it coming, thanks, but a few comments from me at this point.
When you say 'won't bash perfect dodge', quantifiers would be helpful. Saying 'perfect dodge' is a lot less useful than knowing a db figure. Also, just who is doing the bashing? A mounted master? A trolloc who isnt master? Someone in between? One of the hardest parts about balancing weapons when it comes to bash is the different experiences of different players.
Dark Grim is indeed a great weapon, more people should give it a try. The damage is extremely high for a normal weapon. The ob is high too. Clearly you have a touch less weight than some other options, but think of it as the wsl of the axe world.
Eaxe and Bronze are very similar weapons. Eaxe edges it, but bronze is an extremely solid back up. The damage here is again very high, both of them beat 2h sword damage, and people need to take that into account when judging these weapons against other options. The ob is slightly lower, and weight is ok. If some changes were to come here perhaps I'd look at .5 lbs extra each, or perhaps +2 ob each. That said, I feel these two axes are a lot better than players are giving them credit to be.
Csword damage is... how can I be helpful without giving the game away here... there is a group of weapons that all have extremely similar damage. That group, when talking 2h weapons, includes Csword, Halberd, Mallet, Claymore, WSL and Taxe. Csword has become very popular and I think people are probably more critical of it because they are on the wrong end of it more often than some other very similar weapons?
The more detailed feedback is, the more useful it can be. Otherwise, we're all just here listing feelings and experiences based on our own limited perspective. I do appreciate the feedback though, and acknowledge that most of us are simply limited to our personal experiences rather than having time to do a ton of testing and be scientific about it. The more we can compare apples to apples, rather than apples to oranges, the better and more useful the conclusions will be.
On the other hand... I can see stats you can't. So let me give a few tips on different ranges of these 2h weapons for those who have not had time to test everything since the changes. I'm not including uniques. There are some certainly variations in my groupings, some more than others. Take it all with a grain of salt, but these are guides based on me glancing at stats. Of course, when it comes to the overall best choice it can be harder to judge.Want damage?
Group 1 - war maul, tainted maul, heron great
Group 2 - dark grim axe, bronze axe, eaxe, jagged warsword
Group 3 - halberd, csword, mallet, claymore, taxe, wsl
Group 4 - gsword, spiked warhammer, double axe with black haft
Group 5 - prod, mattock, gold axeWant ob?
Group 1 - heron great, wsl, jagged warsword
Group 2 - dark grim, claymore, prod, gold axe
Group 3 - mallet, csword, halberd, gsword, taxe, double axe with black haft, war maul
Group 4 - eaxe, bronze axe, spiked warhammer, mattock, tainted maulWant bash?
This is a lot harder, but let me give this a crack based purely on the numbers. It would take some pretty solid testing to reliably group these better. Keep in mind your experience is going to vary based on your individual stats, whether you are mounted, master etc.
Group 1 - prod
Group 2 - halberd, csword, mallet, taxe, heron great
Group 3 - claymore, wsl, gsword, spiked warhammer, mattock, gold axe, double axe with black haft, eaxe, bronze axe, dark grim, jagged warsword, tainted maul, war maul
Group 3 obviously covers a lot but to be honest stats alone just can't split most of them and I've run out of time to juggle stats around in my head right now, there are too many variables for a quick judgement. The clubs are hard to place due to their inherent bash bonus which I can't see or judge from stats. We know that other stats affect bash outside of weight, but just how much? Solid bash testing would be more valuable to me than anything else, so consider that a challenge to anyone who has time and inclination to contribute to this discussion!