attitudes and expectations

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Valken
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attitudes and expectations

Postby Valken » Sat Jul 28, 2018 12:24 am

Just posting to clear up a little shit talking on Discord. Apparently this turned into me knowing this person was having link issues and going in for a cheap kill, when in reality it was a blick with no indication of link issues and an immediate tell acknowledging they were online when ripped. Months away from the game, nice to see these attitudes and Discords toxic agents are still prevalent.

I started in CoL because I had idled out last time I logged on Valken:

* S HP:Healthy MV:Fresh > d
Entering the Weave...
You tingle as the Pattern weaves itself around you once again. You prepare to
enter the woven thread and current age.

A guidepost stands here offering instruction to the respun. You should LOOK
POST.

More useful information is available if you LOOK SIGN.
[ obvious exits: D ]
Down: A gopher pokes his head up, sniffing the air warily.

* S HP:Healthy MV:Full > enter weave caemlyn
Ok.

* S HP:Healthy MV:Full > where
The Creator embraces you.
You have no sense of location here.

* S HP:Healthy MV:Full > where
You have no sense of location here.

* S HP:Healthy MV:Full > where
You have no sense of location here.

* S HP:Healthy MV:Full > where

Caemlyn Central Square
You are in a large stone square, right in the middle of Caemlyn's outer
city. You see a wide boulevard to the north, and the path to the inner
city. There are a number of shops around you. The density of the population
is really quite incredible. It's almost impossible to relax as you are
being constantly bumped and jostled. From here you can really get a good
view of the outer city, and this just makes you appreciate the older inner
city all the more. A large banner hangs nearby, depicting a map of
Caemlyn's outer city.
[ obvious exits: N E S W ]
North: A villager woman performs her daily routine.
East: A banker counts several coins in a purse.
South: A stout looking guard is here, walking the streets of Caemlyn.
West: A merchant guard eyes you warily, intent on keeping order.
The corpse of a rat is lying here.
A fountain is here, offering clear blue water to all.
A marble bench, flecked with gold and bronze, adorns the floor.
A stout wooden barrel stands nearby.
An oil lamp, set in a steel cage, hangs from a high wooden pole.
A stout looking guard is here, walking the streets of Caemlyn.
A gray palfrey prances skittishly nearby.
A gray palfrey prances skittishly nearby.
The Caemlyn town crier stands here, spreading the news.
A gleeman is here, playing a lute.

* S HP:Healthy MV:Full > Players in your Zone
--------------------
Valken - Caemlyn Central Square
Tunescar - Reception of the Queen's Blessing
Terri - Caemlyn Stables
Yrah - Reception of the Queen's Blessing

* S HP:Healthy MV:Full >
A man has arrived from the north.

* S HP:Healthy MV:Full > who
Players
-------
Lady Mariel Fa Toran, the Honored Sister [Gray Ajah]
Sahar of Illian
Eleon Dal'Morin |Lion Warden Applicant|
Yrah of Two Rivers
Elyza of Saldaea
Camilla of Altara
Leyla of Altara
Valken De'Demour, Captain [Lion Warden]
Lord Adael the High Captain [Lion Warden]
Kolette of Murandy
Hasp al'Dival, Recruitment Officer, Beacon of Light [Child of Light Council] WANTED
Zoot the Journey Accepted [White Tower]
Diro of Tarabon
Swordbrett of Two Rivers (Linkless) (Idle)
Marok of Shienar
Lady Naomi sur Mardukis, Commander of the Mayener Cavalry [Winged Guard]
Tunescar of Shienar
Martimir the Street Guard [Wall Guard] (Linkless) (Idle)
Surtain 't fighting |an Shen|
Aust the Private [Wall Guard]

* Press <Return> to continue, q to quit *>
Lord Anor Lin'Dyelyn [Child of Light Council] WANTED
Bartean Eidolon WANTED
Etain of Tarabon
Terri Cue'rhain, White Leopards Applicant WANTED <--hmmm, wanted and sitting stables...
Lamont Vescovi
Yasmin the Under-lieutenant [Defender of the Stone Council] WANTED
Tok Ara'Din, the Rider [Morat'torm] WANTED
Seifert of the Borderlands
Belmont of Illian WANTED
Mashad 'Rosschild' Blackwood
Lord Dartes d'Anconia [Dragonsworn]
Mudrada the Hundredman [Child of Light] WANTED

32 players displayed.

* S HP:Healthy MV:Full > n
Middle of a Wide Boulevard
This is the middle of a wide boulevard that runs east and west across Caemlyn.
The boulevard is bisected by a strip of grass and a row of trees which run its
length. The sheer noise of crowded Caemlyn is overwhelming, almost a dull
roar. To the north is a paved road which leads into the Inner City. To the
south is an open square and a cluster of shops.
[ obvious exits: N E S W ]
North: A city lamplighter stands nearby, attending his duties.
East: A man is here.
South: A man is here.
West: A stout looking Caemlyn guard is posted here.
An oil lamp, set in a steel cage, hangs from a high wooden pole.
A villager woman performs her daily routine.
A stout looking guard is here, walking the streets of Caemlyn.
A figure stands here, ready to collect unwanted things.
A black stallion prances about.
A stout looking Caemlyn guard is posted here.

* S HP:Healthy MV:Full > where
Players in your Zone
--------------------
Valken - Middle of a Wide Boulevard
Sahar - Reception of the Queen's Blessing
Tunescar - Reception of the Queen's Blessing
Terri - Caemlyn Stables
Yrah - Reception of the Queen's Blessing

* S HP:Healthy MV:Full > w
A Wide Boulevard
This wide boulevard bisects Caemlyn and extends to both the east and west. The
road is set with a median of grass and trees. This is one of the busiest areas
in Caemlyn, and the street is usually crawling with people. A small winding
road threads some buildings, and leads off to the south.
[ obvious exits: E S W ]
East: A villager woman performs her daily routine.
South: A gleeman is here, wearing a cloak of different colored patches.
West: A man meanders here, quietly speaking to himself.
An oil lamp, set in a steel cage, hangs from a high wooden pole.
A stout looking Caemlyn guard is posted here.

* S HP:Healthy MV:Full > s
s
s
Winding Path Through the City
This short and extremely narrow side street squeezes between several buildings
as it twists its way through the southern region of the Outer City.
[ obvious exits: N S ]
North: A stout looking Caemlyn guard is posted here.
A gleeman is here, wearing a cloak of different colored patches.

s
* S HP:Healthy MV:Full > Path Through the Outer City
This short and extremely narrow side street squeezes between several buildings
as it twists its way through the southern region of the Outer City. You can see
the outer road to the south.
[ obvious exits: N S ]
North: A gleeman is here, wearing a cloak of different colored patches.
South: A black dog is here, wagging its tail.

* S HP:Healthy MV:Full > The Southern Road
You are on the southern side of the outer road which circles the Outer City.
You are just inside the perimeter wall of the city, and can see a gate just
to the east. A small side street winds through the Outer City to the north.
[ obvious exits: N E W ]
East: A stout looking Caemlyn guard is posted here.
West: A stout looking guard is here, walking the streets of Caemlyn.
A black dog is here, wagging its tail.
A shifty looking fellow patrols the streets picking up discarded belongings.
A worker busily earns a day's pay.

* S HP:Healthy MV:Full > e
e
Alas, you cannot go that way...

* S HP:Healthy MV:Full > Inside the Southern Gate of Caemlyn
You are just inside the Southern Gate of Caemlyn. The city is a vast chaotic
sprawl of people and buildings. Caemlyn could probably swallow a smaller
city entirely, and not look at all larger. You stare for a moment at the
impossible number of buildings and people filling crowded Caemlyn. At the
city's center you can make out the inner city and the royal palace. A
southern road follows the perimeter of the city both east and west here.
[ obvious exits: E S W ]
South: A chicken wanders around here, pecking at the ground.
West: A black dog is here, wagging its tail.
A stout looking Caemlyn guard is posted here.

* S HP:Healthy MV:Full > The Southern Road
You are on the southern side of the outer road which circles the Outer City.
The perimeter wall is to the south, and the South Gate of Caemlyn is to the
west. You see a large refuse yard to the north.
[ obvious exits: N E W ]
North: A stout looking guard is here, walking the streets of Caemlyn.
East: A stout looking guard is here, walking the streets of Caemlyn.
West: A stout looking Caemlyn guard is posted here.

* S HP:Healthy MV:Strong > e
n
hide
backstab h.terri
The Southern Road
You are on the southern side of the outside road which circles the Outer City.
You are just inside the city's perimeter wall, and you can see the South Gate
off to the west and a tower to the east.
[ obvious exits: N E W ]
North: A man walks among the horses here feeding them and rubbing them down.
East: A man gambles away his purse.
The corpse of Tok is lying here.
A stout looking guard is here, walking the streets of Caemlyn.
A stout looking guard is here, walking the streets of Caemlyn.
A warhorse is here, stamping his feet impatiently.
A stout looking Caemlyn guard is posted here.
A stout looking Caemlyn guard is posted here.

* S HP:Healthy MV:Strong > Caemlyn Stables
This place stinks like horses. You had almost forgotten how bad horses
smell. Maybe this would be a good place to leave yours?

A BIG SIGN YOU CANNOT POSSIBLY MISS is on the wall.
[ obvious exits: S ]
South: A stout looking guard is here, walking the streets of Caemlyn.
A severed head lies on the ground, eyes staring sightlessly.
A pair of thick metal boots stand inflexibly upright.
A pair of black armor greaves lies here, highly polished.
A plain weapons belt has been forgotten here.
A heavy pair of full metal gauntlets is here.
A pair of black vambraces lie here, gleaming brightly.
A shining steel breastplate lies here gleaming in the light.
The corpse of Belmont is lying here.
The corpse of Adael is lying here.
An embossed leather water flask lies forgotten here.
A small purse is here.
A pair of black pants lies here.
A thin, decorative belt with an elaborate buckle is here.
A light pair of leather coverings lies upon the ground.
A burnished metal breastplate lies here.
An iron lantern hangs from the wall above the gate.
A man walks among the horses here feeding them and rubbing them down.
A warhorse is here, stamping his feet impatiently.
A white destrier stands here proudly, alert for battle.
Terri Cue'rhain, White Leopards Applicant is standing here, riding a bloodstock stallion.

* S HP:Healthy MV:Strong > You attempt to hide yourself.

You silently approach your victim...


Wimpy reset to: 200 hit points.
Terri makes a strange sound as you place a curved clear dagger in her back!
Terri is dead! R.I.P.
You feel the Weave of the Wheel tighten around you.
Your first time! Was it good for you too?
Your blood freezes as you hear Terri's death cry.

* S HP:Healthy MV:Full > scal
You lean over and sever the bloody head from the corpse of Terri.

* S HP:Healthy MV:Full > who
Players
-------
Piter of Two Rivers
Lady Mariel Fa Toran, the Honored Sister [Gray Ajah]
Sahar of Illian
Eleon Dal'Morin |Lion Warden Applicant|
Yrah of Two Rivers
Elyza of Saldaea
Camilla of Altara
Leyla of Altara
Valken De'Demour, Captain [Lion Warden]
Lord Adael the High Captain [Lion Warden]
Kolette of Murandy
Hasp al'Dival, Recruitment Officer, Beacon of Light [Child of Light Council] WANTED
Zoot the Journey Accepted [White Tower]
Diro of Tarabon
Swordbrett of Two Rivers (Linkless) (Idle)
Marok of Shienar
Lady Naomi sur Mardukis, Commander of the Mayener Cavalry [Winged Guard]
Tunescar of Shienar
Martimir the Street Guard [Wall Guard] (Linkless) (Idle)
Surtain 't fighting |an Shen|

* Press <Return> to continue, q to quit *>
Aust the Private [Wall Guard]
Lord Anor Lin'Dyelyn [Child of Light Council] WANTED
Bartean Eidolon WANTED
Etain of Tarabon
Terri of Murandy WANTED
Lamont Vescovi
Yasmin the Under-lieutenant [Defender of the Stone Council] WANTED
Tok Ara'Din, the Rider [Morat'torm] WANTED
Seifert of the Borderlands
Belmont of Illian WANTED
Mashad 'Rosschild' Blackwood
Lord Dartes d'Anconia [Dragonsworn]
Mudrada the Hundredman [Child of Light] WANTED

33 players displayed.

* S HP:Healthy MV:Full >
Terri tells you 'bro come on'

* S HP:Healthy MV:Full > narr terri rip
You narrate 'terri rip'

* S HP:Healthy MV:Full > l in corpse
corpse (here) :
a black pair of silver-tooled boots
a pair of earthen colored breeches
a brightly-colored sash
a yew staff
a silver etched shield
[2] a silver Kandori wristcuff
a pair of dark gloves
a set of cloth sleeves
a backpack
a crimson cloak of fine Two Rivers wool
a bearskin tunic
[2] a Kandori snowflake necklace
a camouflaged hood
[2] a gold ring delicately carved with ivy

Log of communication following this:
Terri tells you 'i lost link and reconnected on phone man come on'
Terri tells you 'i even told adael that sigh'
Terri tells you 'was pking inside and lost link completely. logged phone just so tell adael'
You tell Adael 'how is terri?'
You tell Adael 'claiming just relogged on phone'
You tell Adael 'they trustworthy?'
Adael tells you 'shes annoyed, but is on a shitty link and popping back and forth from pk for the last 10 mins'
Adael tells you 'i'm returning tok's kit, but thats because i killed him. your call for the other ones'
You tell Adael 'she had cleaver in pack'
Adael tells you 'ya thats mine'
You reply to Adael 'ahh kk'
You tell Adael 'yours again'
Adael tells you 'she was dodge staff'
Adael tells you 'grin'
You tell Terri 'im told your on a shitty link but popping in and out of pk for last 10 min like that...'
You tell Terri 'so...'
You tell Terri 'Cleaver going back to adael'
You tell Terri 'gunna swap some of this shit, but ill return a kit to you'
You tell Terri 'fair?'
Terri tells you 'i figurd that much i was going to offer return for return anyway'
Terri tells you 'just wow lol'
You reply to Terri '?'
You tell Terri 'I feel thats rather fair, I pk on a shitty link often as well, its a choice'
Terri tells you 'lol youre so ignorant. greedlords of randland like always'
You reply to Terri 'lol, you sent me a tell before I narrated, you were LD when you were stabbed, you going to be shitty about it, disregard any return then'
You tell Terri 'besides the scalps, where you want those?'
You tell Terri 'you werent* ld'
Terri tells you 'no shit u showed up and vultured me at the end of pk in which the people i was fighting knew i was off link'
You tell Terri 'basically all I was doing was swapping a combo set for the dodge'
Terri tells you 'then claim to be rhe nice guy bc youll drop whatever yoy dont want lolol'
You tell Terri 'you were sitting in a wanted city and obviously saw me before the blick to instantly send a tel'
You reply to Terri 'didnt claim to be nice, claimed I would return majority as I figure dit was fair you choosing to pk on shit link'
Terri tells you 'yes i think its a normal move to let you know i was on link ossues bc u obviously showd up to kill'
You reply to Terri 'you expecting a return is obnoxious to start, acting shitty about any offer sealed it for me'
Terri tells you 'i wasnt choosing it you stupid well-dressed person of quality it dropped'
You reply to Terri 'adael said you been on a shitty link andin and out of pk for over 10 min'
Terri tells you 'na just dick head LW greeding up like alwyas. is normal'

* S HP:Healthy MV:Fresh > ignore terri
Ok. You are now ignoring that one.

Razhak
Posts: 691
Joined: Sun Mar 22, 2015 7:43 am

Re: attitudes and expectations

Postby Razhak » Sat Jul 28, 2018 1:23 am

Next time return nothing to her.

I have to say, that with Discord nowadays, my incentive to return eq (which has always been low-low), has become even less :P

People expect returns and expect to be spared whenever nowadays. They go AFK in the middle of nowhere, and if you find them legitemately, they cry to high heavens..

Rig
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Joined: Wed Dec 16, 2015 8:00 pm
Location: JESUS

Re: attitudes and expectations

Postby Rig » Sat Jul 28, 2018 2:18 am

Concur with Razhak. The amount of times I've been killed ld or afk is funny, and I've never expected or asked for a return. Cool when it happens, but I don't return either way.

Really silly the amount of things that happen and people say when you don't do as they please.

Chernobog
Posts: 39
Joined: Fri Jul 28, 2017 6:17 pm

Re: attitudes and expectations

Postby Chernobog » Sat Jul 28, 2018 3:15 am

I've been playing this game for 20 years now as of a few weeks ago, I've literally had my gear returned maybe twice? The entitlement is astounding, you go afk or end up linkdead, that really really fucking sucks, I get it, I've been there.

The fact of the matter is that getting gear in the current state of the mud is so damn easy no one should ever complain. I used to spend weeks putting my dodge kit together. Now I don't want to sound like an old man, I walked up hill both ways in the snow! But your damn straight I did it. If you afk in a shitty spot, thats your fault, if you lose link, that sucks, and if you're flagged, I personally won't kill you, but that doesn't mean everyone won't.

I remember when it was mandated that if you want to return you left it on the corpse or you would be docked qps. If you go out, expect to die. Thats all I can say. Sure it sucks, but it takes all of an hour to be able to compete again.

Valken, don't sweat it. Seriously.




Ps - I just need to say it, wtf is with everyone thinking they can just AFK wherever now all of a sudden, and they're suddenly immune? seriously? Life has consequences fam, good decision making skills are key, accept the risks that come with those decisions

Terinor
Posts: 375
Joined: Wed Feb 18, 2015 2:19 pm

Re: attitudes and expectations

Postby Terinor » Sat Jul 28, 2018 6:01 am

I didn’t just go afk and I wasn’t on such a link that I was dc for 10+ minutes at a time. I had been pking around andor for 2 hours and specifically inside caem for 45 minutes in which time I killed two people. And when trying to kill a third he said he had link issues so I stopped attacking him. Fast forward a little bit and my link completely drops. I’m watching Netflix fine etc but my cmud won’t connect. Adael is a generally a classy dude so I figure hey I’ll just log my phone and let him know what’s up. I wasn’t ‘in and out’ of pk. I was in pk. Then I wasn’t. The 10 mins adael is talking about is me standing there logged in my phone while trying to reboot/reconnect. So yeah, it’s a bit greedlording when I die with clearly stated link issue and you say sure I’ll return but after I take everything I want from the kit first. And only deciding to not return bc I was on an unknown toon. Since you asked adael who I was it’s clear if you thought it was a person of value then you would return. But a nobody you are fine screwing over.

Razhak
Posts: 691
Joined: Sun Mar 22, 2015 7:43 am

Re: attitudes and expectations

Postby Razhak » Sat Jul 28, 2018 6:15 am

1) you werent flagged
2) he blicked you
3) he gave you eq back.. which is more then he should have done after the whine fest you gave him
4) to the victors, the spoils, so suck it up

Terinor
Posts: 375
Joined: Wed Feb 18, 2015 2:19 pm

Re: attitudes and expectations

Postby Terinor » Sat Jul 28, 2018 6:25 am

He did not return.

Razhak
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Joined: Sun Mar 22, 2015 7:43 am

Re: attitudes and expectations

Postby Razhak » Sat Jul 28, 2018 6:27 am

Good man!

Valken
Posts: 53
Joined: Sun Dec 27, 2015 7:06 am

Re: attitudes and expectations

Postby Valken » Sat Jul 28, 2018 7:26 am

I returned only his scalps after being called an ignorant, dickhead, greedlord, and what the forums translate hilariously to "stupid well dressed person of quality" which is unfortunately not what he said haha.

I swapped out your basic dodge for the heavy combo I was wearing... not sure if that was enough to anger you or if you thought I was stealing the rare kandori trinkets or what... assuming it was my comment of swapping that did it as you seemed fine with Adael getting cleaver back.

I had asked Adael about you not because I cared if you were "someone", but because I've learned there are so many venomous, lieing assholes around the mud now days. It's amazing how often people were having link issues when they rip, and I wanted to confirm if that was the case for you, since I don't know you, having been gone for awhile.

This wouldn't even have been posted had you not tried to make the scenario look worse on Discord, assuming I wouldn't know and defend myself.

I'm done with this thread, and it would appear people agree expecting a return is poor form. Personally I'm ok with checking, especially for link issues, but becoming belligerent that someone won't comply had some unfortunate consequences this time. Maybe see you around on mud, no hard feelings here.

Terinor
Posts: 375
Joined: Wed Feb 18, 2015 2:19 pm

Re: attitudes and expectations

Postby Terinor » Sat Jul 28, 2018 7:44 am

I logged in naked the gear doesn’t matter it’s about the player base just being ok killing anyone for things outside their control. I had already planned to swap adael the cleaver for my friends gear back. Since I figured a unique for 2 half combo kits would be fair. Which is why at the end of it all I asked simply to return their kits and not mine. As far as discord I didn’t say anything there I didn’t say to you and I only mentioned what was happening after someone else specifically mentioned your name. Maybe Razhak and rig don’t agree but I stand by what I said. And funny coming from rig who was just killed while chatting on discord and got a full return with a unique. Anyways it’s all done now. Enjoy your time back. Andor needs the help.


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