splitting in pk

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Pounds
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Re: splitting in pk

Postby Pounds » Mon Feb 11, 2019 12:40 pm

Melayna wrote:To be honest I haven't experienced anyone pocketing anything worthwhile in a long time, think the last time was some seanchan who rented with that unique two handed long blade, but that is a long time ago. Sure coin generally just goes into the pocket of whoever looted unless someone asks for it. I find vials etc. to be split fairly in the vast majority of cases.

I both agree and disagree, simply because the dynamic on LS is different, since trading is a big part of the game and has always been. The rogue who is missing out on the war maul or whatever rare could have used that rare in a trade for some pods. That being said it has always frustrated me a bit when people who PK up north exclusively finally end up killing someone with a heron and it ends up on the smobbing FC(or whatever char) who happened to come dusty and spike the fade and then win the lotto, and it just ends up in a rent or up for trade for 5 shocklances the day after. And wholeheartedly agree that it would be great if people played the rares they got, more rares in circulation is always great.

But as a wise man said in another thread:

Dear original poster, sides differ

Kind regards,


Trading is a big part of LS. I don't have a problem with it. I still think it should go as follows:

Who gets the rare?
1. Whoever is practiced for it and will play it immediately (not including a person who is already wielding a rare)
2. Whoever is willing to pay for a reset immediately and will repractice immediately so that they can play it
3. Whoever wins the dice roll if they want to trade it and there are no people from 1 or 2

So if I get a heron med, and I am using Kirukan's, I'm not going to roll for a heron or keep the heron. I am going to give it to the guy in my group who is using medium blades, or I am going to give it to the guy in my group who is bone clubs but willing to go to the blacksmith and reset to medium blades. If none of those are the case, and I'm on DS, I might keep the heron for myself for backup. But if I'm on LS, and none of those are the case, I'll allow anyone present for the kill to shoot dice for it (with the exception of a very short list of people).

That is how splitting should work IMO. More people would be a lot happier this way. It is more equal than shooting dice like on LS. It minimizes the chance of a rare being stored in rent forever. Someone who has never got the shot at a rare will get the chance to play it. It will create a joyful and memorable experience for them.

Let's be real, no one is getting any joy out of having a heron in their rent that costs thousands of gold to withdraw. You have to play it to experience it. Otherwise, you could just open notepad and type that you're wielding a heron mark blade. Equipment is in the game to be played. Play it. Stop storing it. Play it.

Sarryn
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Re: splitting in pk

Postby Sarryn » Mon Feb 11, 2019 1:01 pm

My thoughts on splitting are somewhere in between the rolling. I do believe in being fair. To a point where I've done rolls and a person that did hardly nothing got the heron. While that is annoying, it is also the only way some people will ever get a shot at a heron. I personally have had tons of herons and all forms of rares on alts. So it's not a huge deal to me to split fair. I generally roll on LS because of this. Because I've been there, just starting out. Seeing these great pkers not even offer the chance to split and just take or give to also great pkers buddy. These types get way more chances at good equipment then your average or less then average Joe. So I personally don't agree with the give it to who you think will use it best method.

I've seen many different splits on all sides. I've seen just taking it on LS straight up by the highest profile players. Who have full kits uniques on already. I've won a heron in dice and not been given it because high profile pker wanted it. When I did more then my fair share for it. I've seen the leader just divy by looking and use method. I've seen that on DS. But I've also seen on DS many many times. More so then LS actually by far. Where a fade or remote owner (aka supposed top pker) just takes uniques/rares/cuffs etc for themselves or alts etc. Without a word from anyone, and there in full kits already. And others can clearly use that gear now. DS way of splitting is mostly good, but I've seen some real shit splits there.

I personally don't agree with the I'm the better pker, I'll live longer with it so therefore I get it theory. I think that it's pathetic and selfish. Do I get a little annoyed when as probably the main reason the super kitted died dies and I get nothing cause I split fair? Sure, but it's only fking text. And I know I will get a chance at it again. But the majority of my bad experiences have come on DS from hoarding perspective. Though I do like the need idea per say. People play other alts. Like just because you on abser critical and full kit chases you in and your the sole reason that person dies. You shouldn't be asked to give the gear over because some remort has a power trip and wants his phat lootz to store when he's A. In the best kit already B. A top pker and gets the shit funneled to him already. C. Honestly doesn't take much chances or ever die with shit anyways.

Absers/rogues/fcs etc should still be able to gear there alts if they provided plenty of help in the pk. Because let's face it, just because your some Uber bonused guy leading a group all the time taking nil chances who hardly ever dies shouldn't be the end all for deciding. Maybe that rogue stabbed the person, or the zerk abser bashed his face in when you couldn't, or the FC got a weave/weaves off on a otherwise hardly ever to die person.

Shrugs my 2 cents, there has to be a happy medium in the split realm. Just because your a leader and great pker who's been here 10+ years you shouldn't take away some less then average Joe's shot. Unless it's agreed by the group. Personally I get most my nice shit through 1 on 1s or low number pk. Where these super leaders are stripped of there leading reason they get kills, a group at there back.

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Re: splitting in pk

Postby isabel » Mon Feb 11, 2019 1:43 pm

Speaking as an individual and not as clan person here, there are lots of reasonings that sometimes come into conflict:

- who deserves it more (did most of the work)
- who needs it most (is that setup)
- who is likely to play it asap and not trade it
- who will play it in a "fun" way
- who was running solo and can make a case for it (eg: ungrouped col stabber in DS PK with tower group fighting them)
- who is a new player and has never had a rare before and it would be their unforgettable moment of wow on Wotmud
- who is an established oldbie leader (across sides) and expects to keep the rare/unique because of skill disparity

This works out when you have say 1,2,3 are in accord. But that's not always the case.

Theres also what I call the Rashomon scenarioI- the different versions of the same pk. It is text and every single PK can suffer from this because we all see things from our own perspective and not everyone accounts for that. Pounds story on this thread is a classic example of a consistent story told from his perspective and not looking at other perspectives.

There's also a perception that DS splitting is better.

Firstly most of the leaders on LS are the leaders on DS and the same players are typically accused of walking off with eq.

Secondly DS is a diff side. It takes me literally 2 minutes to get eq to PK on DS. If I want to invest that little time on LS re-eq (and I do because most people who aren't gaming as their job want to log on and have fun which in my case means pk) then the fastest way I've worked out is trade for what I want. It helps me to actively PK with minimal time wasted. The trade will go to two kinds of players:

1) a better pkrr who will play it and will have no problem giving me what I want (cash usually will buy me my setup!) Because they "earn" enough via PK
2) a smobber/farmer who had the stuff . What will they do with the rare? Trade t to a pker who will play it !

So I have faith in the economics :)

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Re: splitting in pk

Postby Lyren » Mon Feb 11, 2019 1:49 pm

I've always been of the mindset that leader splits, and have always thought that people who are currently practiced for something should get first dibs on it. That puts the rare back into circulation immediately. It doesn't always work out that way because everyone has a different opinion, which is why I'm happy for whoever leads the pk to make the calls.

Never have I thought that one person deserves something more than others because of the level of "work" that was put into the kill, with the exception of a kill stab when everyone else has given up on the pk or retreated. Every person involved factors into the kill, regardless of how much someone thinks they did. Maybe all they did was sit and block somewhere. Someone runs into that block and ends up going another direction that results in their death. Maybe someone only gets a couple of hits in, but those couple of hits contributed to hp loss. It's possible that without these things there would be no kill at all.

I also get annoyed with the part of equipping the dead that makes them think they have first rights to the gear. Unless their kit is retrieved intact, I split so that people involved in the pk get upgrades, and they get left with whatever that person was wearing. So you died, that doesn't make you entitled to something and other people that didn't die entitled to nothing. And yes, alts that died in the pk are still the dead. They alted to keep the pk going instead of sitting around waiting for a chance that someone else can get a kill and regear them. That absolutely gives them rights in the split. See above re: upgrades.

I also wouldn't call it a "leader tax" but rather a "looter tax". Leaders might split at the end but if we're looking statistically leaders rarely loot in pk. And I can't actually think of a leader who I haven't seen split potions. In fact, generally leaders are stronger pkers who die less than the average player, and are the mostly likely to walk away from a pk session with nothing at all.

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Re: splitting in pk

Postby Ezran » Mon Feb 11, 2019 1:54 pm

I agree with everything Sarryn said. I'm not a great PKer (really not even good). However, I try to learn and pk, even tough I'll probably die. When the group wins, it's usually not because of my stellar play, it's usually despite my bad play. However, I got a couple rares in my time playing. Both were through dice rolls. For one, I won a dice roll for a weapon I didn't use and instantly traded it for one I do. The other for a weapon I do main. To be honest, without dice rolls, I don't think I'd really ever have a shot at anything. I don't go out of my way to ask for them after pk, because I don't really have the confidence to feel worthy enough to request one. Therefore, I wait until the leader asks who is in for the rolls, and throw my hat in. Both my alts play their rares, and will continue to until they die (probably won't be long).

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Re: splitting in pk

Postby Rig » Mon Feb 11, 2019 1:54 pm

I personally just look at whoever is practiced or whoever will use immediately.

Surcoats to the dodge dude, wicked axe to the axe dude, dirks to rogue. Stuff like that. I do the same method of splitting on LS too and I've only had complaints about it a few times. Generally from the same people who show up at the tail-end of a 2-3 hour pk session and believe they have done a great service!

The other thing is that if people want to split how they want, learn to lead and do it yourself instead of bitching xxx leader didn't give you that jcuff.

Zarth
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Re: splitting in pk

Postby Zarth » Mon Feb 11, 2019 1:58 pm

The most important thing is to keep pairs of trinkets together. A single jcuff is worse than no jcuff.

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Re: splitting in pk

Postby Ranga » Mon Feb 11, 2019 2:25 pm

I don't even agree on the basic premise that there is less greed. When non-masters are in the same pk for the same length as masters and masters walk off with 2 scalps from previous pk, which I will not contest, and 1 scalp they rolled on and won, that's just not cool. Especially when it happens all the time and those people then try to guilt trip you when you do speak up about it.

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Re: splitting in pk

Postby Rig » Mon Feb 11, 2019 2:30 pm

Pff, guilt trip. Call them the lameass well-dressed person of quality they are. Who cares about their guilt trips!

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Re: splitting in pk

Postby Pounds » Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:14 pm

Rig wrote:Pff, guilt trip. Call them the lameass well-dressed person of quality they are. Who cares about their guilt trips!


This. Y'all got to have some confidence and call out these people when they do that kind of crap. They do it because they get away with it. Make sure everyone knows. Maybe try mailing a Lancer about it. Nothing will happen unless you do something. Inaction will not help you at all.

Zarth wrote:The most important thing is to keep pairs of trinkets together. A single jcuff is worse than no jcuff.


This is a good point too. I was not suggesting to split them evenly. I would probably just give both to the same guy if they're going to use it. I was just stating that it would be more even for both players to each get one instead of fighting over it. That would be the worst case.

Ezran wrote:I agree with everything Sarryn said. I'm not a great PKer (really not even good). However, I try to learn and pk, even tough I'll probably die. When the group wins, it's usually not because of my stellar play, it's usually despite my bad play. However, I got a couple rares in my time playing. Both were through dice rolls. For one, I won a dice roll for a weapon I didn't use and instantly traded it for one I do. The other for a weapon I do main. To be honest, without dice rolls, I don't think I'd really ever have a shot at anything. I don't go out of my way to ask for them after pk, because I don't really have the confidence to feel worthy enough to request one. Therefore, I wait until the leader asks who is in for the rolls, and throw my hat in. Both my alts play their rares, and will continue to until they die (probably won't be long).


I understand where you are coming from. You just gotta ask. The worst thing that will happen is they will either ignore you or say no. When people split that way, it might give you incentive to play a setup that would get one of those rares. So if you want a heron long, you should play combo long blades to get a better shot at getting a heron long. Of course, you gotta speak up too. If you want a heron med, start using shining silver plated swords. Wicked axe, use saw toothed, etc. I am sure you had quite a thrill when you got to play those rares. You probably got a pretty good thrill when you traded the one for a bunch of spare equipment so you could play without worrying about dying a few times. This is what people should get out of split. Not the same guy storing another rare in their rent and not ever playing it.

NO ONE should ever be afraid to ask for something if they intend to use it, whether rares, regular equipment, or scalps. The worst thing that can happen is they say no, you cannot straight up have it. It's better to ask instead of staying silent because if you don't ask you don't know whether you might have gotten what you wanted!


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