if this is how stab chance to land gets calculated why does the stab trainer have hide practice % as a factor? According to this list its either your hidden or not and % practiced doesn't affect chance.stark wrote:Stab Chance

1) start with a 50% probability

2) add 2x level difference to the probability

3) multiply probability by stab skill / 99

4) If weapon skill is less than 80% the probability gets multiplied by weapon_skill / 99

5) If encumbrance is over 50%, the probability is reduced by 10 * ((carrying + equipped) * 10 / (can carry + can equip) - 5)

6) If the victim has notice on, the probability is reduced by notice / 5

7) If the victim is sleeping, the probability gets doubled

8) If the attacker is not hidden, the probability is set to 0.

9) If the attacker has sneak on (whether or not the sneak was successful in hiding the attacker's entrance), the probability gets increased by: (sneak_skill - 1d101) / 10. This is where no-hide stabs come from. If a stabber doesn't prac sneak, they will never land a no-hide stab.

If that is true then this makes me think its more important to level sneak to 99 rather than hide.

The other problem I have with the trainer is line 4

according to that it only divides wep skill/99 if % practiced is less than 80% so practicing weapon skill past 80% should not affect stab chance. On the trainer it does affect stab chance past 80%. (EDIT I was wrong the 80% and 99% wep skill are the same on the trainer.)