Three Years of Trump

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Reyne
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Re: Three Years of Trump

Post by Reyne » Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:35 pm

https://www.businessinsider.com/whistle ... ter-2020-9

Complaint itself is linked in the article. I read it; don't know what to say really. Some real Nazi hours.
One detained immigrant reported to Project South that staff at ICDC and the doctor’s office did not properly explain to her what procedure she was going to have done.98 She reported feeling scared and frustrated, saying it “felt like they were trying to mess with my body.” When she asked what was being done to her body, she was given three different responses by three different individuals. She was originally told by the doctor that she had an ovarian cyst and was going to have a small twenty-minute procedure done drilling three small holes in her stomach to drain the cyst. The officer who was transporting her to the hospital told her that she was receiving a hysterectomy to have her womb removed. When the hospital refused to operate on her because her COVID-19 test came back positive for antibodies, she was transferred back to ICDC where the ICDC nurse said that the procedure she was going to have done entailed dilating her vagina and scraping tissue off. The nurse first told the detained immigrant she was going to get this procedure done because she had heavy bleeding, but then told her it was because she had a thick womb. The woman quickly responded that she never had heavy bleeding in her life and was never told by the doctor that she had a thick womb. Instead she stated that the doctor had described an entirely different procedure that did not involve scraping her vagina. She stated: “I tried to explain to her that something isn’t right; that procedure isn’t for me.” The nurse responded by getting angry and agitated and began yelling at her. She told Project South that seeing the nurse’s nervous and angry response confirmed “that something was not right.”
Where's my pro-lifers at? Is this what you voted for?
Everybody he sees has a hysterectomy—just about everybody. He’s even taken out the wrong ovary on a young lady [detained immigrant woman]. She was supposed to get her left ovary removed because it had a cyst on the left ovary; he took out the right one. She was upset. She had to go back to take out the left and she wound up with a total hysterectomy. She still wanted children—so she has to go back home now and tell her husband that she can’t bear kids… she said she was not all the way out under anesthesia and heard him [doctor] tell the nurse that he took the wrong ovary.

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Re: Three Years of Trump

Post by Atienne » Tue Sep 15, 2020 2:23 pm

Reyne wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:35 pm
https://www.businessinsider.com/whistle ... ter-2020-9

Complaint itself is linked in the article. I read it; don't know what to say really. Some real Nazi hours.

Where's my pro-lifers at? Is this what you voted for?
hilarious i am using this as a source but if this is to be believed... it's right up your alley, reyne.

https://www.workers.org/2013/06/9533/
Georgia prison tour verdict: Shut it down!
By Dianne Mathiowetz posted on June 17, 2013

Ocilla, Ga. — The Irwin County Detention Center sits just outside the town of Ocilla, population 3,400, in southern Georgia. With 200 workers, it is the largest private employer in Irwin County.

Fields of cotton, peanuts and tobacco fill the countryside around Ocilla. Drought, unemployment and poverty plague its residents.

The one-story, sprawling ICDC building has a turbulent history of financial crisis. Built as a privately owned jail, in the 1990s it housed U.S. Marshall Service prisoners and then was a boot camp for state juvenile offenders. For several years, it sat vacant until it was purchased by developer Terry O’Brien, of Municipal Corrections LLC, in 2004. Operations were turned over to Michael Croft, a former deputy sheriff, and the cells were filled with prisoners whose county lock-ups were full.

O’Brien and Croft had bigger ideas and convinced the local county commissioners in 2007 to raise $55 million in tax-exempt bonds to fund expansion of the facility, nearly doubling its capacity, to make it attractive as an immigration detention center. The complex agreement had the county leasing the jail from Municipal Corrections in order to use public money for remodeling costs.

Re-opened in January 2009 with 1,200 beds, it remained largely empty and by that summer was behind in bond payments as well as city and county taxes. Croft left town suddenly, and Detention Management LLC, another company affiliated with Terry O’Brien, took over day-to-day operations that summer.

O’Brien soothed worried local leaders with assurances that the leadership team at Detention Management had the connections to turn things around. And indeed, several of their names were well-known in the corrections industry — for bribery and pay-for-play schemes, personal use of tax money, and charges of prisoner abuse, illegal detention and more. (April 10, The Nation)

Nevertheless, Georgia’s two senators, Johnny Isakson and Saxby Chambliss and Rep. Jack Kingston went to bat for the Irwin County Detention Center with Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials. In 2010, a four-year contract was signed for the use of as many as 512 beds, at a cost of $45 a day, which is much less than the going rate at other for-profit prisons in Georgia.

Housing both male and female immigrant detainees as well as male and female federal prisoners of the U.S. Marshalls Service, the prison immediately had problems with everything from bad food, abusive guards, lack of medical care to restricted attorney access.

Since ICDC is located some three and a half hours from Atlanta, it is difficult, if not impossible, for many prisoners to receive family visits and legal support. Language translation skills among the staff and guards are meager to nonexistent. Untrained detainees are often pressed into translating fellow detainees’ medical or personal needs from Spanish to English. Translation of other languages, such as Vietnamese, Polish, Mayan dialects or Mandarin Chinese, have to be routed through a telephone service.

Civil and human rights violations

In January 2012, some detainees went on a hunger strike to bring attention to these problems. Their whole unit was put on lock-down. Others were sent to “the hole” or isolation cells.

A lot of these issues were detailed in a spring 2010 report by the American Civil Liberties Union of Georgia entitled “Prisoners of Profit: Immigrants and Detention in Georgia,” which cited direct testimony from named immigrants. The report ends with numerous recommendations to alleviate these inhumane conditions.

Added to the civil and human rights violations to be found in all prisons, jails and detention centers, the ICDC is also mired in financial instability that impacts operations.

In January 2012, with ICDC owing the county and city some $1.6 million in back taxes and with bondholders going unpaid, Ocilla moved to foreclose on the prison property and sell it at auction on the courthouse steps on March 6.

A bankruptcy action stopped that forced sale, and everything seems to be in the courts where the creditors are hashing out the details.

In the meanwhile, several hundred men and women are spending months, if not years in some cases, in a detention center far from family and friends. The cost of telephone calls is exorbitant and the service inadequate. Lawyers are denied contact visits, meaning their conversations are conducted over telephones that do not allow privacy.

Prisoners, both federal and immigrant detainees, complain of guards who constantly yell orders and of food that is rancid or inedible. Life-and-death issues include lack of timely and appropriate medical care for cancer patients and diabetics, detainees with broken limbs, and those suffering from depression and other mental health issues.

For these reasons and more, Irwin County Detention Center must be closed now.

On June 10, Mathiowetz and other immigrant rights activists toured the Irwin County Detention Center to see if any of the ACLU recommendations had been implemented.
After some more looking, it's run by LaSalle Corrections. A private prison company. Not shocking at all. What would be more shocking is if people actually read and learn about the fact that this and more abuses have been going on for 30 years. By that extension, Bush, Clinton, Dubya, Obama, they're all evil nazis too. Where were the whistleblowers during previous administrations? Probably ignored.

I still wonder - there are a lot of questions left to answer. How is medical care and consent determined for the detainees? Who is this doctor - is he employed by ICE, LaSalle, or do they just take the women to this one doctor? Why not take them to a different doctor? This doctor may just as well be doing this stuff to citizens that visit him for care. A few years ago up here, a doctor was caught taking inappropriate pictures of his patients. Makes you wonder if maybe it's a problem with the doctor? Though I am not trying to make excuses for LaSalle and the private prisons, that's a horrible concept the way it's set up currently.

The administration should look into who’s running this center and either fix it or find someone else to run it correctly. It’s not surprising. It’s been long enough. It should have been done 10 years ago. Thanks obummer.

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Re: Three Years of Trump

Post by Hope » Tue Sep 15, 2020 3:02 pm

Careful they’ll censor us here too.

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Re: Three Years of Trump

Post by Reyne » Tue Sep 15, 2020 4:04 pm

Obama should probably be sent to the Hague, too. Not sure why "yeah well we've been terrible for a while" is some kind of gotcha argument. The world is more than just Red vs Blue. However, specifically about private prisons:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKBN1622NN
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Justice Department has reversed an order by the Obama administration to phase out the use of private contractors to run federal prisons.

In a memo made public on Thursday, Attorney General Jeff Sessions said the Obama policy impaired the government’s ability to meet the future needs of the federal prison system.

The Obama administration said in August 2016 it planned a gradual phase-out of private prisons by letting contracts expire or by scaling them back to a level consistent with recent declines in the U.S. prison population.

It said privately operated prisons were less safe and a poor substitute for government-run facilities.

“The (Obama administration) memorandum changed long-standing policy and practice, and impaired the bureau’s ability to meet the future needs of the federal correctional system. Therefore, I direct the bureau to return to its previous approach,” Sessions said in a letter dated Tuesday to Thomas Kane, acting director of the Federal Bureau of Prisons.

Shares of the two leading U.S. private prison companies gained in after hours trading, with GEO Group Inc up 2.15 percent and CoreCivic Inc up 3.44 percent.
Now, if you want to say that was a cynical move by Obama to get some brownie points on his way out knowing full well the next incoming administration could reverse it just as easily, sure. I agree. Almost like both parties are beholden to monied interests and not to the people.


By that extension, Bush, Clinton, Dubya, Obama, they're all evil nazis too.
Bush Sr - war criminal, likely the real brains behind the Reagan drug war and other disastrous policies (Iran-Contra, anyone?)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_H. ... telligence
"During Bush's year in charge of the CIA, the U.S. national security apparatus actively supported Operation Condor operations and right-wing military dictatorships in Latin America.[82][83]"

Clinton - war criminal. Remember when he bombed a pharmaceutical plant that millions of people relied on for no reason whatsoever except to cover up his Monica Lewinsky scandal? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Shifa_ ... al_factory
Indeed, officials later said that there was no proof that the plant had been manufacturing or storing nerve gas, as initially suspected by the Americans, or had been linked to Osama bin Laden, who was a resident of Khartoum in the 1980s."[3] The attack took place a week after the Monica Lewinsky scandal
Dubya - war criminal, millions of people dead for nothing

Obama - war criminal, expanded drone bombings illegally into countries the US was not at war with, 90-95% of all casualties were civilian, bombing hospitals, began family separation policy at the border with the intent to punish, etc

*shrug*

"Hey we're only doing the logical extension of what the people who came before us did!" isn't exactly a defense. "Hey, we're only bringing home the atrocities we've visited on the rest of the world for the last decades" is... Sad!

Bonus Operation Condor quote from the wiki article; Bush Sr really outdid himself with that one:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Condor
Victims included dissidents and leftists, union and peasant leaders, priests and nuns, students and teachers, intellectuals and suspected guerrillas.[9] Although it was described by the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) as "a cooperative effort by the intelligence/security services of several South American countries to combat terrorism and subversion,"[10] guerrillas were used as an excuse, as they were never substantial enough to control territory, gain material support by any foreign power, or otherwise threaten national security.[11][12][13] Condor's key members were the governments in Argentina, Chile, Uruguay, Paraguay, Bolivia, and Brazil. Ecuador and Peru later joined the operation in more peripheral roles.[14][15]

The United States government provided planning, coordinating, training on torture,[16] technical support and supplied military aid to the Juntas during the Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, and the Reagan administrations.[2] Such support was frequently routed through the CIA.

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Re: Three Years of Trump

Post by Atienne » Tue Sep 15, 2020 5:11 pm

Reyne wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 4:04 pm
Obama should probably be sent to the Hague, too. Not sure why "yeah well we've been terrible for a while" is some kind of gotcha argument. The world is more than just Red vs Blue. However, specifically about private prisons:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKBN1622NN
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Justice Department has reversed an order by the Obama administration to phase out the use of private contractors to run federal prisons.

In a memo made public on Thursday, Attorney General Jeff Sessions said the Obama policy impaired the government’s ability to meet the future needs of the federal prison system.

The Obama administration said in August 2016 it planned a gradual phase-out of private prisons by letting contracts expire or by scaling them back to a level consistent with recent declines in the U.S. prison population.

It said privately operated prisons were less safe and a poor substitute for government-run facilities.

“The (Obama administration) memorandum changed long-standing policy and practice, and impaired the bureau’s ability to meet the future needs of the federal correctional system. Therefore, I direct the bureau to return to its previous approach,” Sessions said in a letter dated Tuesday to Thomas Kane, acting director of the Federal Bureau of Prisons.

Shares of the two leading U.S. private prison companies gained in after hours trading, with GEO Group Inc up 2.15 percent and CoreCivic Inc up 3.44 percent.
Now, if you want to say that was a cynical move by Obama to get some brownie points on his way out knowing full well the next incoming administration could reverse it just as easily, sure. I agree. Almost like both parties are beholden to monied interests and not to the people.

However,
The administration should look into who’s running this center and either fix it or find someone else to run it correctly.
This administration clearly wants this. How much more obvious do they need to be?
By that extension, Bush, Clinton, Dubya, Obama, they're all evil nazis too.
Bush Sr - war criminal, likely the real brains behind the Reagan drug war and other disastrous policies (Iran-Contra, anyone?)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_H. ... telligence
"During Bush's year in charge of the CIA, the U.S. national security apparatus actively supported Operation Condor operations and right-wing military dictatorships in Latin America.[82][83]"

Clinton - war criminal. Remember when he bombed a pharmaceutical plant that millions of people relied on for no reason whatsoever except to cover up his Monica Lewinsky scandal? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Shifa_ ... al_factory
Indeed, officials later said that there was no proof that the plant had been manufacturing or storing nerve gas, as initially suspected by the Americans, or had been linked to Osama bin Laden, who was a resident of Khartoum in the 1980s."[3] The attack took place a week after the Monica Lewinsky scandal
Dubya - war criminal, millions of people dead for nothing

Obama - war criminal, expanded drone bombings illegally into countries the US was not at war with, 90-95% of all casualties were civilian, bombing hospitals, began family separation policy at the border with the intent to punish, etc

*shrug*

"Hey we're only doing the logical extension of what the people who came before us did!" isn't exactly a defense. "Hey, we're only bringing home the atrocities we've visited on the rest of the world for the last decades" is... Sad!

Bonus Operation Condor quote from the wiki article; Bush Sr really outdid himself with that one:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Condor
Victims included dissidents and leftists, union and peasant leaders, priests and nuns, students and teachers, intellectuals and suspected guerrillas.[9] Although it was described by the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) as "a cooperative effort by the intelligence/security services of several South American countries to combat terrorism and subversion,"[10] guerrillas were used as an excuse, as they were never substantial enough to control territory, gain material support by any foreign power, or otherwise threaten national security.[11][12][13] Condor's key members were the governments in Argentina, Chile, Uruguay, Paraguay, Bolivia, and Brazil. Ecuador and Peru later joined the operation in more peripheral roles.[14][15]

The United States government provided planning, coordinating, training on torture,[16] technical support and supplied military aid to the Juntas during the Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, and the Reagan administrations.[2] Such support was frequently routed through the CIA.
I think this is another example of where we are arguing with each other despite being in agreement on all points.

There is probably a lot of bureaucratic bullshit that needs to be navigated to even start to do something about this. There are probably legally binding contracts for these companies to provide these services at the detention center. The doctor is likely not even employed by the company or the feds. Simply taking the women to another doctor might have prevented this from happening. Then there is the question of what to do with the detainees if you just shut it all down.

All of this is probably why prior administrations didn’t do anything. None of them care. The detainees aren’t voters, they’re likely non-citizens. Most of America doesn’t care either: a sickening state where basic human dignity even for criminal aliens is shrugged off. You can see it in many communities where people don’t even know their neighbors anymore. There’s also the attitude of who cares what the rest of the world thinks, we’re America.

Like I said, it’s not a it’s been terrible for awhile gotcha argument. It’s laying out everything and the history of it to show that the inevitable spin of evil drumpf nazi is a load of crap because it’s a problem his administration inherited from multiple prior administrations. If he has any sense I could see him doing something about this that will make almost everyone happy. Hopefully this brings it to his attention where he can order some people around to start changing some stuff.

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Re: Three Years of Trump

Post by Sarryn » Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:14 pm

Trump 2020, make ya libs cry again. And keep america great 🙏🤍😎

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Re: Three Years of Trump

Post by Petra » Wed Sep 16, 2020 3:58 am

Sarryn wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:14 pm
Trump 2020, make ya libs cry again. And keep america great 🙏🤍😎
*Rest of the world, sitting with our popcorn, wondering how great the civil war is going to be*

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Re: Three Years of Trump

Post by Treach » Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:39 am

Sarryn wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:14 pm
Trump 2020, make ya libs cry again. And keep america great 🙏🤍😎
As this website explains.

https://www.keepamericagreat.com/

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Re: Three Years of Trump

Post by Atienne » Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:06 am

Treach wrote:
Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:39 am
Sarryn wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:14 pm
Trump 2020, make ya libs cry again. And keep america great 🙏🤍😎
As this website explains.

https://www.keepamericagreat.com/
Good Lord the spin on that site. Yes, coronavirus is Trumps fault! It couldn’t be the botched response by the states of the republic! DRUMPF!!! I don’t know about you, but I’m doing way better today than I was four years ago. I’m sure Kam- I mean Joe would do a bunch of stuff to help me out!!! Blame the two party system. I don’t think Trump is doing enough to fix this country, but he’s doing more than Clinton would have or Kam- I mean Joe would. It’s a start.

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Re: Three Years of Trump

Post by Reyne » Wed Sep 16, 2020 11:51 am

Good Lord the spin on that site. Yes, coronavirus is Trumps fault! It couldn’t be the botched response by the states of the republic! DRUMPF!!! I don’t know about you, but I’m doing way better today than I was four years ago. I’m sure Kam- I mean Joe would do a bunch of stuff to help me out!!! Blame the two party system. I don’t think Trump is doing enough to fix this country, but he’s doing more than Clinton would have or Kam- I mean Joe would. It’s a start.
"The buck stops here" is a phrase that was popularized by U.S. President Harry S. Truman, who kept a sign with that phrase on his desk in the Oval Office. The phrase refers to the notion that the President has to make the decisions and accept the ultimate responsibility for those decisions.

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I don’t know about you, but I’m doing way better today than I was four years ago.
Oh, and I'm not. Thanks. No one I know is. I'm out of work, half my state is on fire, and the Republicans are telling me to kill myself.
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