Three Years of Trump

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Maghus
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Re: Three Years of Trump

Post by Maghus » Wed Feb 19, 2020 10:17 am

Reyne wrote:
Wed Feb 19, 2020 10:15 am
Definitely not Bloomberg.
I can only think he is a joke candidate to show how broken our system is. But then again, I have been trying to tell you guys this for 3 years now. There are actually pro bloomberg memes popping up unironically on 4chan now. Its hilarious. Everyone just destroys them in the comments. There is a reason the underworld loved Trump. He is genuine.

Kazi
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Re: Three Years of Trump

Post by Kazi » Wed Feb 19, 2020 10:55 am

#TRUMPTRAIN

Jaster
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Re: Three Years of Trump

Post by Jaster » Wed Feb 19, 2020 11:02 am

I feel bad because their candidates are sooo bad. I think tulsi was their best candidate and they basically are trying to cover her up and silence her.

Benito
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Re: Three Years of Trump

Post by Benito » Wed Feb 19, 2020 1:18 pm

Mikhan wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 12:59 pm
Yeah my point wasn't that the entire Republican party isn't onboard the Trump train. My point is that to label their ideology as fundamentally "conservative" is to misunderstand what's happening here. "Conservative" is a well established brand name that they've purchased and are redefining...I don't think it's really helpful to reinforce their ownership of it
Got it, and I think we're in agreement here.

Gabbard's interesting. I'm down with a veteran against endless wars. I like her shitting on Clinton. But there's way too many unknowns on what she actually thinks, and I don't feel much more informed after making an effort and looking through her campaign page and articles about her. There's not really any excuse for supporting Assad or Modi. And tons of her Instagram is work out videos, which is the most insufferable kind of IG presence.

More to the point, Democrats aren't going to win by nominating someone like Gabbard, who has some appeal to the right, or centrist candidates like Klobuchar, Biden, or Buttigieg. That might be the case if swing voters were actually a thing, but they're largely not. Democrats will win if there's large voter turnout, and Republicans will win if there's not. Which is why Republicans have made so many efforts over the last 30 years to suppress voter turnout, gerrymander, etc. It's a minority party that pretends to have majority support.

So Bernie's the guy, and I finally got around to donating to him last week. I thought it would be Warren for a while, and I'd still happily vote for her, but Bernie's the most realistic when it comes to diagnosing the problems we're facing, and the most practical when it comes to solving them. There were moderate solutions to things like climate change if we'd acted 20 years ago, when the problem was already apparent. There are no moderate solutions anymore.

Jaster
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Re: Three Years of Trump

Post by Jaster » Wed Feb 19, 2020 2:28 pm

An honest question for Benito. Where do you think the highly successful and wealthy will move to when threatened with taking a majority of their earned income? Which countries do you think big companies/businesses will move or work from if he wins the presidency. It would be idiotic for them to stay in the US with Bernie’s future plans for their income and work. I’m just curious, and I believe there is a real difference from Rosie O or Miley Sirus threatening time leave the country if trump was
Elected than companies or wealthy leaving to protect their business, income, and way of life.

Reyne
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Re: Three Years of Trump

Post by Reyne » Wed Feb 19, 2020 3:32 pm

That is a common argument that doesn't really hold water when you realize that most wealthy people don't actually live where the taxes are the lowest. There are many other factors at play. NYC and SF have more billionaires than any other city in the USA. That's kind of funny, that they'd live in these supposedly socialist bastions of high taxes.

Where would they go even? Bernie's policies are relatively moderate for the rest of the world.

Besides, honestly, screw them. We're supposed to be rah rah patriotic but as soon as they're asked to do something for the country they go "nah we'll leave?" Fine. Leave. Take your ball and go home lol. If the alternative is lower taxes until the whole country is in Kansas' condition then great don't let the screen door hit you on the way out.

Gonna cry real hard for all those private equity ghouls taking over functioning businesses and running up all the debt while selling assets to their own holding companies for a song and leaving workers holding the bag.

Ragnus
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Re: Three Years of Trump

Post by Ragnus » Wed Feb 19, 2020 3:41 pm

Reyne wrote:
Wed Feb 19, 2020 3:32 pm
That is a common argument that doesn't really hold water when you realize that most wealthy people don't actually live where the taxes are the lowest. There are many other factors at play. NYC and SF have more billionaires than any other city in the USA.

Where would they go even? Bernie's policies are relatively moderate for the rest of the world.

Besides, honestly, screw them. We're supposed to be rah rah patriotic but as soon as they're asked to do something for the country they go "nah we'll leave?" Fine. Leave. Take your ball and go home lol. If the alternative is lower taxes until the whole country is in Kansas' condition then great don't let the screen door hit you on the way out.

Gonna cry real hard for all those private equity ghouls taking over functioning businesses and running up all the debt while selling assets to their own holding companies for a song and leaving workers holding the bag.
Nothing stops you from doing “something” for the country by giving them 90% of your check. Just mail what it should be to the irs. I highly doubt you would just do that. No one in their right mind would.

Reyne
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Re: Three Years of Trump

Post by Reyne » Wed Feb 19, 2020 3:43 pm

Ragnus wrote:
Wed Feb 19, 2020 3:41 pm
Nothing stops you from doing “something” for the country by giving them 90% of your check. Just mail what it should be to the irs. I highly doubt you would just do that. No one in their right mind would.
What does this mean even? Yeah, I don't voluntarily pay more taxes to the IRS than I have to. Guess society is a sham actually and we should have no social programs!

90% is an absurd exaggeration anyway. The highest income tax bracket on Bernie's proposal is 52% which kicks in above $10m+ earned. Most rich people get their income via capital gains anyway, which is capped at 15% aside from short term capital gains (less than 1 year invested).

Absolute QQ for people making above $10m hitting a 52% income tax bracket however will they survive? Still lower taxes than most of the rest of the world, meanwhile.

e: Plus we all know that no one pays the full tax rate, yeah? That's how corporate giants get away with 0 federal taxes paid.

ee: Really here's what gets me. People on the right crow about socialism nonstop as soon as someone gets a food stamp but when we're paying millions of dollars to support WalMart's below-poverty-line employees as WalMart posts $3.5b in profits annually, crickets. That is nothing more than a massive subsidy to WalMart. *All* these corporations operate this way. They suck in *billions* of subsidies and then say "oh we did this all on our own so we should pay 0 in taxes. Here's some more crap jobs you'll have to subsidize with taxes." What?

How does Amazon get you anything in a day without taxpayer funded infrastructure?

Just looking for some logical consistency. At least the libertarians say none of that should be going on at all as it is all just market manipulation.

eee: Also, directed to just no one in general: I don't care about the light blasted stock market. I don't own any stocks and the average 401k (another thing I don't have anyway) isn't even going to be enough to retire on. Assuming it doesn't all blow up under the massive debt from near 0 (or below 0) interest rates anyway.

Tons of that tax cut money went right into buybacks which used to be illegal for a reason.

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Re: Three Years of Trump

Post by Petra » Wed Feb 19, 2020 4:55 pm

Reyne wrote:
Wed Feb 19, 2020 3:32 pm
That is a common argument that doesn't really hold water when you realize that most wealthy people don't actually live where the taxes are the lowest. There are many other factors at play. NYC and SF have more billionaires than any other city in the USA. That's kind of funny, that they'd live in these supposedly socialist bastions of high taxes.
This is an oft-quoted myth when it comes to discussion of taxes on high earners. Here's an interesting article that actually explores the data:

https://www.theguardian.com/inequality/ ... es-threats

byrg
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Re: Three Years of Trump

Post by byrg » Wed Feb 19, 2020 8:21 pm

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